stealing our materials

[Firefly]

After ceasing to trade online over 2 years ago we have just found out that the website designer ( and registered owner of the domain name for our old business) has been fraudulently trading under our names as if we were still up and running! As we supplied educational materials online he had access to all of our products and mode of operation. We have only found this out because we have rewritten and restructured our business and contacted old customers to let them know we were back online again with a new website address but of course they replied saying they thought we had returned ages ago!The course materials were written before the website ( or even the Internet actually) existed by qualified professionals and are not in the public domain as such but sent as emailed attachments. Basically HELP - what rights have we got and how should we proceed?

[CopyrightAid]

Hi Firefly

Given the seriousness of this complaint, you really MUST take this matter to a solicitor.


Go down to your local Citizens Advice Bureau, or Business Advice Center, explain what has happened and ask if they can recommend a solicitor in your area that deals in such matters. (this assumes UK - sorry don't know where you are).

Your solicitor will be able to advise how best to go about it, but the matters I would put on the agenda would be:
1. The fact that he is trading under your name - this is known as 'passing off' - the fact that your customers thought they were dealing with you supports this.
2. The use of your materials without permission.
(For both of the above, probably a 'cease an desist', followed by an injunction if they do not comply will be the solutions).
3. What are your options for financial reimbursement - i.e. financial damages in respect to his sales of your items (plus your legal costs).
4. Have his actions breach criminal as well as a civil law? (I am fishing here )


Hope all goes well.

If you want to tell us how it goes, please do post again - I know I'd love to hear how you get on.

[Warlock]

Oooo... sounds like this guy needs taking down a peg or five My only concern is you state that you ceased trading - is it still 'passing off' if the company no longer exists I wonder? Regardless, you defo have a complaint if he is selling your materials that are not his.

I agree with the previous post - you must go to a solicitor.

[Firefly]

Thank you so much for both of your supportive responses, they are really most appreciated!

As regards the 'passing off' yes we did cease trading but the old clients certainly thought they were still dealing with us.

Do either of you - or anyone out there know about the contents of the website and ownership when all the text was authored by us - mostly taken from our hard copy Prospectus which existed years before we had an Internet presence? I inderstand that the domain name and html etc belongs to the website designer but surely when we can prove the existence of the words prior to the site, we have some claims?

Also if the the site has been improperly used is there a case for us to try and claim the domain name?

We are really getting so tired of this especially the trust element so yes we will arrang to seek legal advice and will certainly keep you posted.

Thank you again and have a nice Bank Holiday!
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Firefly

[CopyrightAid]

As the text on the website was yours (rather than written by the web-designer) there is perhaps some good news on that score.

His publication of your material without consent IS an infringement of copyright, and you can certainly require him to remove all the copied material - (that of course applies to the educational materials too).


The good news is that most ISPs (Internet Service Providers) will act quickly to remove infringing material once notified. It depends on where the ISP is based of course - but in the UK & US at least, an ISP becomes liable if they knowingly continue to host infringing materials. So they normally act pretty quickly to shut down infringing sites.

I would send a 'cease an desist letter' to the designer and send a copy to the ISP, informing them that they are hosting the infringing site and asking for assistance.
There is a good chance his site will be taken down quite quickly.


Sorry for not mentioning this earlier (duh)


As for the domain name - I doubt it, but it is something to add to the agenda...

[Firefly]

Hi again!

You asked about whether the 'crimes' could be criminal/civil. Well we know for a fact that the point of contact name being used ( in emails) is actually that of someone who died 14 months ago and that they are using 3 names of our associates to give respectability without their authorisation or knowledge, as permission to use these names was given only to us. Each has given us a statement confirming this.

The site is now just showing a front page with none of our text but all of the links are obviously still there.

Hey ho!
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Firefly